Saaya Melts Hearts — But May Break Yours
A photo is “worth a thousand words,” so yes, I’ve got the photos (below). But usually you need some words to put the photos in context.
But before exhibiting any lust, be sure to note the girl’s age! From True’s 22 May 2005 issue:
The Chinese are upset by a new Japanese school history textbook which, they say, whitewashes Japanese crimes during WWII. But photos of a little Japanese girl are helping to melt Chinese hearts. Saaya Irie is “pacifying a certain segment of China’s population” with her photos, especially those showing her in a bikini. The 11-year-old budding actress fills an F-cup bra, and her photos have swept Chinese web sites. A message with the photos, surely not written by the girl, begs the Chinese to “stop these anti-Japanese hijinks” since “if you don’t, I won’t like you anymore.” But if people “unite for the sake of China’s democracy,” the message says, her breasts will “rise up.” The unlikely propaganda is working. “This is one Japanese import I won’t be boycotting,” said one Chinese man. The girl’s agent says she’s a “bit frightened” by the attention, but she says she “would like to see good relations between Japan and China.” (Japan Times) …At 11, let’s hope she doesn’t understand exactly what sort of relations the guys really want.
First Things First
Several American female readers have questioned the “F-cup” claim. I’m no expert on such things, but I expect that there is a difference between American and Japanese cup sizes.
Indeed some searching brought up a comparison chart that showed (as far as I can tell: the rest of the text was in Japanese) that a Japanese F-cup translates to an American/U.K. DD-cup.
Ignoring this …um… minutia, the point of the story still stands: it’s fairly amazing what lengths even young girls will go to to “launch” a “career” even before they finish growing up — and how an entire culture seems to be fine with offering her up as fodder for political posturing.
With That, Here Are the Photos
“But Isn’t This Exploitation?”
Yep: and that’s the entire point here. And what better start to the discussion that a long-time reader’s letter? Allena in California starts us off:
Having lugged a genuine F-cup around for the last 40 years, I can assure you that the fact that this lovely young woman has dozens upon dozens of professional photos on her various websites indicates her management’s chicanery, not her mutant precocity. Folks who buy into her publicity campaign merely perpetuate the exploitation of other child-women who want mostly to be admired and celebrated — even at the cost of their integrity. There are so many odd and amusing things going on on this planet; is stuff like this really something you need to perpetuate on your fine website? Thanks, as always, for making me think.
True has always been about social commentary, using stupid things people do as its launching pad. The girl can be excused — she’s only 11, so presumably her parents are there to help her make decisions. And they’re doing a spectacularly bad job.
Now, thanks to that, their daughter is being used as a political pawn. You better believe I have something to say about that! As for making you think, that is, after all, the idea. Clearly, the story helped you focus your own thoughts and express them well, so I have to believe I’ve done a very good job at prompting thought, even among those who find the images disturbing.
Jon in the U.K.:
I couldn’t help but wonder at the minds of the people behind the 11-year-old girl’s pictures and campaign. Using an 11-year-old child in this way is just wrong. Even if she is an unusually well-endowed 11-year-old. Is it any wonder why we live in a world full of social decay, when this is the sort of thing that the media exports around the world? Keep fighting the good fight against all this stuff, and the insane ‘Zero Tolerance‘ in schools, and all the rest of it…. Maybe send some GOOHF cards to the Japanese girl, and the kids in the ZT stories — I’ve got a feeling they’ll need them.
It’s a fine line to toe: how to comment on the situation without being a mere party to her exploitation.
The Fine Line
I did obviously decide to publish a couple of photos of the girl with the story; I have found over the years that the way to make people think twice about doing weird things isn’t to ignore them, but to confront their acts head on and expose their actions for what they really are — in this case, exploitation.
If the girl were old enough to make an informed decision, I’d be fine with it, even if her decision was to exploit herself. But she’s not old enough, and the adults she is depending on have put her in a pretty rough place.
It’s quite possible she’ll come out of it just fine; I hope so. Meanwhile, I have succeeded in making a lot of people think about the issue. My mail is about 40-1 in favor of my decision to run the story and the photos, so I think I’ve succeeded in keeping “within the line.”
It took awhile, but I finally got the letter I was waiting for, from Dan in Illinois:
Am I the only one upset about the political reason behind this exploitation — that the Japanese were attempting to ‘whitewash war crimes’ in their history books? I’m not sure which is worse — that the Japanese are trying to ‘bribe’ the Chinese into accepting a rewrite of history by showing them [clothed] juvenile breasts or that Chinese men seem to be buying into it. The rape of Nanking? Who cares, look at these breasts! That’s frightening. If I saw this in a movie (and it wasn’t an obvious parody of the human condition) I would think how totally unrealistic it is. And I’d be wrong.
Exactly what I was thinking as I wrote the story.
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35 Comments on “Saaya Irie Photos”
Not only is the child being exploited politically, but in a particularly vile way. Pedophiles of the world have a new poster-girl.
Thank you, Randy, for bringing this to our attention. It will make a powerful case study in my “Social, Ethical and Legal Issues for Computer Scientists” course next year.
I am, of course, appalled by this inappropriate use of a young child, but my comment is directed more to Robin in Ontaria, who indicated that she will be teaching a course on the “Social, Ethical and Legal Issues for Computer Scientists” next year, and declared that “Pedophiles of the world have a new poster-girl.”
I hope she will look up the meaning of the word “pedophile,” before embarrassing herself in an academic environment. Pedophiles, be definition, are aroused only by prepubescent children. Many words could be used to describe Saaya, but “prepubescent” is clearly not among them!
Certainly, “Child molesters” may have a new poster girl, but no true pedophile would give Saaya a second glance, except perhaps out of curiosity.
In my neck of the woods I understand a paedophile to be somebody that has a sexual interest in a minor, around ten years younger. So a 24 year old, interested in a 14 year old could be considered paedophile. It sometimes would just be easier to accuse them of statutory rape, once it has come to that. Which is what happened in the case that I am familiar with.
Let’s not get too caught up here, especially the difference between the dictionary definition and the medical/legal aspects. It’s really beside the point. -rc
There is a strong irony that Japan is trying “whitewash war crimes” which include the rape of minors in China by sexually exploiting an 11 yr old Japanese girl.
Though to be fair I am kind of not surprised that there are Chinese men not willing to boycott this propaganda considering the male to female ratio and the prospect many Chinese men face at most likely never getting married. It’s one of the reasons for the rise in prostitution in china. So Chinese could be forgiven for being more concerned with breasts than Nanking, considering also many of those men were born a long time after Nanking they don’t have as much feel for the pain of the history (though I’d hope there would be Chinese who would dispute my statement).
But to be honest, when I first saw this article, probably because of the controversy in the Australian fashion industry of a fourteen year old model I couldn’t help think what is too old? It seems twenty year olds are already too old to be sexy. Why didn’t Japan use a twenty year old? Even an eighteen year old. Why is it that we have fourteen year olds modeling clothes for twenty year old women?
I don’t know maybe it’s just me but I’m constantly seeing young girls advertising things that are ten years out of their age range and can’t help wonder why not get a thirty year old to model thirty year old clothing why a fourteen year old?
Are we as a society, that obsessed with youth?
I wonder if Miley Cyrus, her publicist, and her father Billy Ray have seen this.
After all, this kind of sexual objectification of youth has worked out so well for the Britney Spears’ and Lindsay Lohans of the world….
Oh, that’s horrible. I’m not much older than her, only a few years and I know several girls her age that are just as developed. I hope they never use it to the “advantage” (or in her case, something that’s just terrible…) that she is. I understand she’s young, but even at her age, I would have never done such a thing. Even if I were as developed as her.
Japan is a nation of 130 million and China is a nation of 1.3 billion. I don’t understand why you are blaming an entire “culture” (as you put it) for the exploitation of this girl. It was a cynical internet meme/joke – not propaganda tactic sanctioned by the Japanese government. And why assume that Chinese men are willing to forget what Japan did during the war based on a few comments by Chinese pedophiles on message boards? The US has plenty of child abusers, should this nation be held collectively responsible every time there is porn ring sting? Please stop exoticizing and stereotyping entire races.
When no one in a “culture” condemns the act once it becomes national news, one assumes they condone it. I still haven’t seen condemnation from Japan, and this happened three years ago. -rc
When reading an article like this we have to take into account the differences between the cultures. The girl is obviously trying to launch a modelling career, and appears to be doing a good job of it, to generate some income (probably to put her through college and uni later). In Japan modelling and nudity are NOT regarded the same as in USA, UK, Australia. Many cultures regards people as adults when they reach a certain stage of physical development, I’m not sure what the situation is in Japan.
What isn’t right is the way the government are using her to play politics, but I doubt she’s concerned about it as long as she gets very good royalties for the photos.
Can we award the government person who thought of this project the boobie prize?
well you have to remember japan and other countries around the world are way different than the US. Hell the legal age of consent in Japan is 16 in some districts. Also the USA is one of, if not the biggest prudes in the world. We tend to think are opinions matter more than anyone’s. Hey think of it this way at least she is in a bikini with a smile on her face, not naked and getting porked by 10 guys at the same time.
Yes, I’m quite aware that things are different in different places. Still, she was eleven, not 16. -rc
I personally think that she should wait until she reaches a more mature age. I don’t like this idea at all ,hearing this makes imagine my daughter at only 10 in a bikini and a pervert watching and doing some thing sinful ,so I’m very concerned of this child.
To regular readers: Yeah, “Andy LA” looks like a moron. But you don’t know the half of it! He immediately came back and posted another comment, but using a different name (Arnold — he doesn’t have enough imagination to use a different initial!), a different state (Nebraska), and a different made-up email address, in a sorry attempt to support his own point. He doesn’t seem to realize that any site owner has the ability to track the people who post — he’s actually in Irvine, California, using his SBCglobal DSL line to comment. His follow-up agrees that there’s some “masterbation” (sic — and sick!) going on. By the look of his typing ability, I don’t doubt it — looks pretty one-handed to me. But Al/Arnold, decrying it doesn’t erase your guilt: it just makes you a hypocrite. Stop lusting after the 11-year-old here (or is it your 10-year-old daughter?) and get some help. And stop pretending that you’re someone you’re not — you don’t have the brains to pull it off (as it were). -rc
Im going to have to agree with Randy ,andy LA sounds like a [pardon my french ] dumbass
Yes, you are. READ what I said to you on your first post. I could tell you were the same guy without even looking. Now bugger off — I have better things to do than deal with your pedophillic urges. -rc
The national age of consent is not 16 in Japan. It’s 16 here in Australia. In Japan, it is 13.
Yeah, you might say that she is still 2 years shy of the age of consent. But you forget that the age of consent is the age at which a person can legally consent to sexual relations. Not the age at which they can pose completely non-nude.
Australia can get pretty bad sometimes too, but this is a prime example of America’s prudish nature and insensitivity to other cultures. Japan is not America. The sooner you learn that, the better.
I agree with what Nick from Australia posted on June 15th, 2009. Americans are all too often notoriously known as the Police of the world (watch Team America if you don’t know what I’m talking about). We tend to impose our beliefs and values on other societies even without taking the time to understand the other society. I’ve lived in Japan, and so I have first-hand knowledge of how different the two cultures are. But we can’t ignore the fact (although it makes us Americans very uncomfortable) that we as human men are naturally attracted to women who have matured through puberty, no matter what age they happen to be. The woman’s body changes in order to bear children. And as a result, the opposite sex is naturally going to be attracted, and the Japanese society (both men and women) holds less shame about that. In fact, they have much less shame surrounding sex than the rather sexually conservative United States has.
The argument might be made that we as higher beings (now 400+ years beyond the time of Romeo and Juliet) should shame away that attraction. I mean, otherwise, we’d be animals, right?
Now that Saaya is a bit older, she’s enjoying success in other ventures such as her musical group “Chase”. Further, how is Saaya much different from Miley Cyrus, who at 15 had some rather racy photos taken of her own or, perhaps, the Olson twins or Vanessa Hudgens (granted they were slightly older).
I guess only time will tell if Saaya’s really been exploited, as this site purports. One thing you might be surprised to learn is how respectful the Japanese are in sharp contrast to Americans. Perhaps from our perspective inside our disrespectful society… we can’t even imagine such a thing!
you are hot
And you’re not only a sick bastard, you’re a very confused man — unless you’re speaking about my portrait at the top of this blog! -rc
i read into this and the findings i came across point to the fact that the japanese are actually upset about her pictures being used for political purposes. apparently one man used them without permission. also to my knowledge she has never done another photo shoot like this, her agent and family became upset at how quickly and widespread the pictures from this ONE photoshoot became.
I don’t doubt at all that many Japanese are upset by this. And yeah, I hope it scared her family! -rc
She is very hot and sexy, there is nothing wrong with that. Age is subjective to maturity, and in the past she would have been married off by 11.
I’d like to point out that the United States – always the 2-faced Puritan that it always was – is really a “nation” at odds with itself because it’s actually a very large country comprising of 50 states and actually many more cultural differences which the federal and state governments try to generalize. Telling the people at one state county to be like everyone else in the U.S. is like telling Japan to be like everyone else in the planet. Truth is, each country is different from each other and each state county different from the others. That’s why we have a federal government to “pull” all these cultures together (by force, i mean). The more we forcefully integrate everyone in the world, the more we culturally die as human beings. Maybe we should travel more to exotic places and get to know more about these exotic cultures firsthand and with an open mind. Ignorance is the real enemy here.
I have heard a lot about the Chinese being upset about Japan down playing the events of world war II. Since the activities in the Asian theater (military term) was not a big part of the history books I can’t say that the Chinese are not right in their claims.
Aside from that. I am a guy that has been around the world twice. And Saaya Irie does look very young, which does not say much because Asian people tend to look very much younger than they really are.
BUT!!!! Those are no where near DD. I would guess high B low C. With a height of about 5’4″ to 5’6″ the proportions would fit.
She’s still doing bikini shoots, is acting, was in a girlband, does voiceacting for animated movies, etc.
Her manager appears to have been upset because they didn’t get any royalties when her photos went viral, and her family apparently wasn’t that bothered, since her schedule didn’t change much at all.
I love Saaya Irie her very pretty.
Noi posted from the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, more commonly known as Laos. -rc
If this was My 11 year old daughter she would be grounded ’till she turns 18. I cannot conceive, I don’t care what culture you come from, that a child of such young age, for whatever cause, is seductively modeling as this young lady is. Maybe I’m too old fashioned, which by the way I’m glad I am, but this is ridiculous. Parents obviously have no control of their children any longer.
If one girl’s parents “lose control” over their kid, then all parents in the world have? Seems a bit of a stretch. -rc
Isn’t it her parents decision? And YES! She is beautiful…. I’ve been following her page for years as I’m sure a lot of other men have. Besides…. She’s a model and models get paid… Right?? I don’t see the harm in a career at her age. That is guided and supervised by her parents Or guardian. It’s a career… Ex: M. Monroe, D. Parton, C. Shepard, M. Cyrus, L. Lohan… B. Shields.
your fear will drive her out. as hard as it is you’d be better off teaching her how to be safe and particularly how to defend herself. try to give her a good example of what a well balanced man and relationship could be like and explain what the consequences and risks can be of going too far too young. needless to say your always going to want to shoot every boyfriend your teenager wants to get with but trying to bar them will only make it worse and they’ll do it behind your back not trusting you.
The Junior Idol culture in Japan is broad and the part that practices the creation of erotic to full-fledged pornography of under aged children is disturbing. The pop-music scene in other Asian countries is similar: young pre-teen to teen girls sing, dance, and are dressed provocatively and sold to a target audience of men 15 years and more older than them. Yet women of age in the same music industries are usually expected to dress modestly and act demure.
I think what makes this interesting is the contradiction of “conservative Asia” that frowns upon questionable western culture yet exploits the young just as much. Some people might argue that it’s not as bad as the US market in general, but when children are involved there’s no justification for any of it (Cyrus or Saaya). In the end such an issue is not about adults being sensitive to/respecting the cultures or prerogatives of other adults…we should be concerned for the well being of children and the protection/preservation of childhood. But whatever I guess it’s perfectly fine to sell our young daughters’ bodies and send or adolescent sons to war if that is the culture designed by the perverted greedy old men in charge.
[The past wartime relations of the Chinese-Japanese-Koreans are sordid. The Japanese government has proven time and again that they aren’t apologetic. And the Chinese don’t have the best track record for their treatment of women and children. The whole world is full of evil doers and hypocrites.]
She obviously sucessfully overcame any detrimental effect her early fame might have brought her and parlayed it into a very successful career, given the summary introducing her Wikipedia entry:
“Saaya Irie (入江紗綾, Irie Saaya?, born November 15, 1993, in Kitakyushu, Fukuoka, Japan) is a Japanese actress, voice actress, junior idol and singer. Her stage name is simply her given name, Saaya.
She has recently been appearing in numerous films, radio, and television programs including the recent live action TV drama adaptation of the Jigoku Shoujo series. She has also done voice work, appearing in the anime OVA Kyo no Gononi as Chika Koizumi. She was formerly a member of Japanese musical group Sweet Kiss before it disbanded on May 12, 2006 to be replaced by the group Chase.”
Not saying that every young girl this might happen to would be as level-headed and capable of coming out of it on top like Saaya did, but in some respects, the outrage over her “exploitation” has been a tempest in a teacup. And for the record, I disagree that an eleven year old is absolutely incapable of intelligently participating in decisions about her career.
It depends on the eleven year old. I don’t know in her particular case how mature she actually was at eleven, she may or may not have been up to the task. On the other hands, history has proven their are people in their twenties who are not emotionally mature enough to handle the pressures of fame. This is a world of shades of grey.
Nice to have an update, thanks! Though I’m not sure who you’re disagreeing with — no one said that no 11-year-old would be “capable” of “participating” in career decisions. What I said was, “it’s fairly amazing what lengths even young girls will go to to ‘launch’ a ‘career’ even before they finish growing up — and how an entire culture seems to be fine with offering her up as fodder for political posturing.” And the emphasis isn’t on the former, but rather the latter. -rc
Helow im new here in the Blog, i knowed few about Randy, he is working good but he needs to create a demand for the cases as the saaya irie, he has force to stop the abuse for her and for a lot japanese girls, obtaining my support and they can get a lot of money if the demand is sucess
Irie is now 19 years old — an adult — and you want me to do WHAT to “force” WHAT? -rc
Poor little Saaya is in the news, and in the wars, again!
“Eri Aoki, 25, and 20-year-old Saaya, who goes by her first name, are thought to have been bitten while filming on location in Yoyogi Park on Aug. 21, TBS said.”
Being so close to Shark Week, I had to go look! But it’s “by mosquitoes” — and may have contracted dengue fever. -rc
Sharks in the middle of Tokyo would be a much bigger news story!-)
This (as they say) is True! -rc
It is interesting to see how you write this article without once really trying to understand the society from which it came. Japan is a VERY different society to the US. It is interesting to see that a lot of disgust is aimed from the US. A nation where it is perfectly fine to witness blood and gore as thousands are massacred on TV, but a single nipple? The world is ENDING!
How do you know no-one has protested against this girls being used in Japan? Have you asked all 130,000,000 of them? Fact is, Japanese dont protest. Its not part of their culture. When they do, its usually very quietly.
But many Japanese ARE uncomfortable with the use of very young girls in magazines. Indeed, the Japanese government is looking into laws tightening how images of girls are used. Problem is, in Japan, you have to seek complete consensus at all stages. Progress can be glacial, at best!
Make up your mind! You complain that I didn’t check to see if there was a protest, yet also say “Fact is, Japanese dont [sic] protest.” To contradict your own point is a pretty silly stance, especially considering that nowhere on the page do I discuss whether there is, or should be, some sort of “protest” in Japan over this (which, as noted, was written more than TEN YEARS ago). The story, rather, is clearly about her parents (to a minor extent) and gullible Chinese (to a major extent), not whether or not the Japanese people as a whole should “protest”. If you wish to bring up a different point that’s related to the story, fine, but blaming me for supposedly saying something that anyone can plainly see hasn’t been addressed here just makes you look like a fool. -rc
Being an F-cup only means that her bust circumference is six inches bigger than that of her ribcage (the number, in the bra size)… which is less of a difference than most people realize, when the ribcage is really small; a lady who is 30DDD (30F) has an objectively smaller bust than one who is a 42B. It’s one letter per inch of difference between those measurements, or it’s supposed to be: it’s mostly the US that doesn’t like to follow this rule, commonly doubling up (or tripling, or more) the letters, starting with DD. Apparently, sticking to the straightforward alphabet sequence to note the actual size of boobs is something of a taboo… one which makes shopping for specific sizes of bras more difficult than it needs to be.
But I guess that’s yet another cultural curiosity, that the US can’t even agree on bra sizes, probably due to this odd hangup over (and fascination with) female bodies. I know a good many people who, like Michael from South Carolina, find themselves bothered, or even outraged and offended by the whole subject. Feminine bodies and sexuality, especially that of teenagers and preteens, seems a regular source of ire for those who would try to cover everything up. Heck, at one point, even showing a lady’s exposed ankle was deemed risque! (Quite frankly, I think those conservative attitudes are welcome to die out. I’d hate having to go swimming in what’s basically a full jumpsuit, as would have been the case a century ago!) Objectification and objections seem to tend to go hand in hand, with each contradictory expression trying to outdo the other: it’s relatively new freedoms, vs a longstanding tradition of control with shame and pressure towards puritanical propriety. On the other side of this coin, I’ve seen rather little comparative outrage at similarly exposed male bodies….
In Japan, modeling like in the photos shown here is actually quite common, though most of it doesn’t get this degree of international attention, and there’s far less of a culture of shame about it. I mean, her parents had to have given it the all-clear, or it wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
It’s interesting, isn’t it, how in one part of the world, photos like these could help a girl’s career… while in another part, another country, such as the US, she’d be more likely to be labeled a victim for them. She clearly wasn’t hurt, so although I understand the cultural hand-me-downs responsible for it, I think more people ought to check their indignation and question their reactions. 🙂
Hottest saaya I really love her she is very sexy and I love see her bikini and hot
You “love” a 12-year-old girl you’ve never met? Consider getting some help, Houssam. -rc
In light of the recent sexual harassment and sexual proclivity toward political and Hollywood figures, perhaps looking, lurking or lusting after 11 year old girl is something we should see in retrospect as part of the lust of our country as well as those in so many other countries. And it’s been reported that pornography is a 1 billion dollar a year business but unfortunately one person’s pornography is another person’s Facebook portrait
I find it interesting that of 13 comments here only 1 is female and even her response is questionable. It gives #me too an extra depth.
My view? In the photos shown this child is way below the age of consent yet a number of the men focus on breast size or other points of a sexual nature. The fact she is apparently still working does not mean she has not been in a position where her option is to participate or be assaulted. The fear is an abuse, each and every time.
Especially when she’s been set up for it from the start. It would be interesting — and probably sad — to hear her stories. -rc
“The country and culture commonly known as “America” had had a badly split personality all through its history. Its overt laws were almost always puritanical for a people whose covert behavior tended to be Rabelaisian; its major religions were all Apollonian in varying degrees ― its religious revivals were often hysterical in a fashion almost Dionysian.” ―Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
I’ve used a picture of her as an example to show people who think they can tell a girl is of age just by looking at her just how much of a difference they can be wrong by. They are usually pissed because they don’t want to admit (anger being a secondary emotion after all to those who know anything of psychology) that they are guilty and ashamed and feel tricked into admitting perversion.
There is little wrong with appreciating beauty and/or sexiness, but once you know something about the subject of your appreciation many people turn this anger outward with blame. I still recall a pair of sisters I met in texas when I was 13-14, and one of the girls was 12-13 and had an adult sister who looked virtually identical who was 23-24! you could tell by the way each acted/talked and the younger dyed her hair all the time but other than that they could have swapped ID’s and gone to school or a bar in each others’ shoes… think about that.
About 30 years ago I was at a high-end health club in California, relaxing in a hot tub after a swim. A man and a gorgeous, curvaceous, sexy young lady got in shortly thereafter. A few minutes later the gal announced she was going swimming and headed out. As I pondered her beauty, the guy dropped a bombshell: “She’s 12.” He told me she was his daughter. “I’m sorry for what you must go through on a daily basis,” I said. He simply nodded. -rc
the hyper sexual yet at the same time prudish ways of america lead to advertising underage girls in skimpy outfits (as someone else was pointing out) then wondering why we have such an epidemic of unhealthy sexual relationships of all ages. kids these days are far too often becoming sexually active in middle or even late grade school. kid’s trying to wear stylish clothes and trying to look like their mother or other older female role-model &/or caretaker are given the option of wearing thongs and mini skirts and tube tops!
the first time I saw a thong in the children’s aisle at Walmart I was shocked but that was so many years ago I think I was still in school. so the problems of this country are obviously affecting our up and coming generation, but it has been getting worse each generation probably since the 50’s to 70’s from what I gather and each generation has only gotten worse. We have kids having kids since at least the 80’s though I suppose our hippie 60’s may have been the true start of that problem. This leads to parenting problems of course and in a myriad of ways. then add in our foolish concept of the nuclear family and kicking kids out simply because they’ve reached age 18 and expecting them all to be able to “fly on their own” but really between poor parenting on a nationwide scale and ever degrading government controlled schooling it’s no wonder America is crashing.. I’m just surprised it’s held out this long, I’ve been seeing the end in sight for this countries way of living since high-school around Y2K.
As to the main subject of this board, I just wish I’d met one of these overdeveloped girls when I was that age, now all they do is scare me into not only checking ID but waiting to meet the girls parent and confirm she’s of age before I get too attached. One scare in my early twenties was enough for that.